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The Same River

Submitted by david on Wed, May 4, 2011 - 8:21pm

There is some contention around the idea of “traditional” Ashtanga.

Traditionalists would be the teachers and practitioners that follow the practice as it is taught in Mysore, India. We practice 6 days a week, with rest days on Saturdays and the days of the full and new moon. Practice is done “Mysore-style,” in a group setting. We progress pose-by-pose through one of the six series. That would seem like a fairly straightforward distinction, but it gets more complicated. Some of the fine details of the teaching have changed over the last 50 years. Some postures have been added or taken out, some have different entrances and exits, and some have longer or shorter holds. So, a teacher who went to Mysore in 1980 might be teaching Ashtanga as they learned it back then, and calling it “traditional”, while someone who went to Mysore last year might also call their practice traditional. Their practices would show many differences. Who’s right?

The practice has altered very little since my first visit to India, 9 years ago. The poses and vinyasa count, as they are taught now, are almost exactly the same as they were taught to me on that first visit. However, there have been some small changes. So, every year, when I return to Mysore, I listen carefully to Sharath as he leads us through the led classes and lectures in the weekly conference. Whenever I notice a change, I integrate it into my teaching. That means that when I get back to Toronto and my home shala, I teach all my students the new version. Most of the time the changes aren’t actually new information, but clarifications and corrections, a sharper focus on the already existing details.

On my last trip to Mysore, I heard something new. It was during the weekly conference with Sharath. While talking about the breath during practice, someone mentioned “Ujjayi Breath.” Sharath corrected them, saying Ujjayi is a pranayama, a formal breathing exercise, and then moved on to another topic.

At first, I assumed I had misunderstood what Sharath was saying. I had always thought Ujjayi Breath was one of the key principles of Ashtanga Yoga. Confused, I went to the source, Yoga Mala, by Sri K Pattabhi Jois, to see what he had written more than 50 years ago. To my surprise, there is no mention of Ujjayi Breath with vinyasa. None.

A month later I saw Sharath again. I had the chance to ask him if we do Ujjayi Breath during our asana practice. He said no, explaining that Ujjayi Breath is one of the Pranayama techniques of Ashtanga Yoga. In Ashtanga, Pranayama is begun only when a practitioner has started the Advanced Series. During our asana practice we only do steady and even puraka and rechaka, inhalation and exhalation.

It would be easier if we could think of the tradition as unwavering; that the practice of Ashtanga Vinyasa Yoga has remained unaltered since its inception. But no tradition is like that; nothing stays the same. The Greek philosopher Heraclitus wrote, “Ever-newer waters flow on those who step into the same rivers." I think of the teaching the same way. The tradition is not still. At different moments in time it has been taught with this or that vinyasa, this or that count, but it is always from the same source. It would be impossible for me to follow the tradition without listening to my teacher. The river is always changing, but its source is always the same.

References

On Heraclitus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraclitus

Yoga Mala: The Seminal Treatise and Guide from the Living Master of Ashtanga Yoga, Sri K. Pattabhi Jois, 2nd Edition, Farrar, Straus & Giroux, 2002

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a living tradition

Submitted by Guest on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 8:51am.

Great commentary David on what it means to practice as part of a living tradition.

Thanks for the clarification.

Siobhan

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thanks!

Submitted by david on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 6:29pm.

Thanks for reading, Siobhan. Hope to see you soon!

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Wow

Submitted by Guest on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 9:20am.

We must have been at the same conference, I thought I heard that too but did not follow up like you did.

Just looking at Yoga Mala as well, where it says "to learn the method fod the vinyasas, rechaka and puraka, the bandhas dhyana and for trataka and the like, one should be certain to consult a Satguru..." etc, and no mention of the Ujjayi breath indeed....

Then I went to Lino's book... just breathing in and out...

I am stunned...

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Stunned.

Submitted by david on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 6:37pm.

I know, right?!

Thanks for commenting.

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Interpretation

Submitted by Guest on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 5:43am.

So what is your interpretation of what Sharath said?

That a) partial closing of the glottis is not part of the Ashtanga Vinyasa practice or b) that the word Ujayi should be avoided and just used for the Pranayama (inhale through bot nostrils exhale through the left nostril, with sound). All 6 Pranayamas except Brahmari is done with partial closing of the glottis (I do not count Plavini and Murccha). Even KB can be done with partial closing of the glottis, but according to my experience it is a bit dangerous, since that can lead to the upper diaphragm and/or abdominals getting "stuck".

How's life? We met in Goa in 2007. I still practice Ashtanga Vinyasa as my asana practice, but concentrate my overall practice and my yoga vactions/retreats to the kdham tradition.

Krister

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interpretation

Submitted by david on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 7:38pm.

Hi Krister. Life is great! Thanks for commenting again.

I think Sharath is saying that, while we still partially close the glottis to produce "free breathing with sound," we shouldn't confuse the breath during practice with the Ujjayi Breath Pranayama. The way that we're breathing in the practice doesn't change, just the way we might be categorizing it.

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Pranayama

Submitted by Guest on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 10:12am.

Ujayji Pranayama is one of the 8 Pranayamas mentioned in Hatha Yoga Pradipika. The technique that gives the Pranayama its name (the sound made by partial closing of the glottis) is used in most of the other 7 Pranayamas as well.

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And ...

Submitted by david on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 6:45pm.

in Yoga Mala, Guruji says only 4 of the 8 are useful to our purposes.

Thanks for writing.

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Move comment

Submitted by Guest on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 5:49am.

Can you move my comment to this place? I read another post as your response. Thx. /Krister

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I was @ that conference, but

Submitted by Guest on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 12:39pm.

I was @ that conference, but you made it clearer for me. Thank you.
Like the Heraclitus:"Ever newer waters..."
Similar to Proust's :"The real voyage of discovery consists not of seeking new landscapes, but in having new eyes"....

Thanks, Judith

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New eyes...

Submitted by david on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 6:46pm.

Thanks, Judith. I really like that quote.

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I don't understand this and

Submitted by Guest on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 1:41pm.

I don't understand this and don't think it has really been clarified here. I have been taught by several senior and certified teachers who all taught the breathing during asana practice as Ujjayi breath. Yes, it is recaka puraka, but isn't Ujjayi a specific WAY of breathing, i.e. by lightly holding jalandhara bandha? slightly closing the epiglottis over the glottis to produce a sound, to generate internal heat and so on?

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Branches.

Submitted by david on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 7:03pm.

Hi. Thanks for commenting.

Ujjayi is a specific way of breathing- it's one of the pranayama techniques of Hatha Yoga.

When I asked Sharath why we have all come to think of the breath as Ujjayi Pranayama, he told me this: a student had once asked Guruji if the breath we do during practice is like Ujjayi. Guruji didn't give a clear answer (I picture the Indian head bobble), and so the misnomer was born. As for what senior and certified teachers have told you, I can't comment. I can only tell you what I have read in Yoga Mala, and what Sharath has told me. I think that's what I was trying to say in my article.

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Ujjayi

Submitted by Guest on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 11:12pm.

Hi ya. I've been very confused since that conference and I'm so happy you followed up and raised this issue. As I recall, a student asked what he meant by "free breathing with sound", which Sharath says many times during a led class. Then I think the student asked if it was the same as Ujjayi and my understadning was that he said no but I came away not being clear. Back in the late 80's I was taught to practice w/Ujjayi breathing....so I'm still confused as older teachers will still instruct this in a led class. Even though I'm w/Sharath now, I don't have the nerve to ask for further clarification but will follow up with some others.

Peace! Wish you guys were here:):) Alyson - ox

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free-breathing with sound

Submitted by david on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 7:31pm.

Hi Alyson. Thanks for commenting. Hope you're having a great time in Encinitas!

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Beautiful post

Submitted by Guest on Thu, May 5, 2011 - 10:57pm.

Another beautiful post. I remember noticing a subtle change in the way you described the breathing -- not sure if it was during Led or some other time. So thanks for writing about it here. It makes so much sense. I'm going to pick up my Yoga Mala again (it's been a while!).

I like that the tradition is evolving, becoming more clarified, living and breathing, stretching -- and I didn't think I would because I'm all about "the source." But these subtle changes seem to get us closer to it somehow. I have to think about it some more. The gorgeous Heraclitus quote helps.

Awesome photo, by the way!

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Submitted by Guest on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 11:55am.

That comment was from me, btw. "Breathing with sound" is how you put it today in Led, if I remember correctly. Listened intently for it.... I feel better breathing this way (freer breathing?) in the poses. Thank you! Haley-O

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freer

Submitted by david on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 7:40pm.

Hi Haley. Thanks for writing. The pic was taken by TBM's amazing EK Park.

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"free breathing with sound"

Submitted by Guest on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 10:08am.

David, thank you for the post.
I think I need more clarification on the breath now:) What is the difference between "free breathing with sound" and "ocean sound" we used to create during the practice on the back of the throat? I mean not the name but the technique. Where the sound should be created?

Julia

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Don't worry...

Submitted by david on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 7:43pm.

Hi Julia. There's no difference between "free breathing with sound" and "ocean sound." The free breathing refers to the steadiness and ease of the breath, and the sound should be the ocean sound that you make in the throat.

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thank you

Submitted by Guest on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 9:01pm.

David,thank you for your explanation.
And by the way, I think that idea with monthly conference is great, it will help to understand better questions like that.

enjoying back her "ocean sound",
Julia

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David, you mean Sharath also

Submitted by Guest on Fri, May 6, 2011 - 12:45pm.

David, you mean Sharath also implied no sound? Like normal breathing in and out without anything happening in the throat? No contraction? How could we all have gotten it wrong for so many years? Or maybe he just meant no kumbakha....

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hiss...

Submitted by david on Sat, May 7, 2011 - 6:50am.

Sharath wants us to breathe with sound during our practice. I've heard him say the breath should sound like an angry cobra. We get that sound by slightly contracting the throat.

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Living method

Submitted by Guest on Mon, Sep 19, 2011 - 11:17am.

Hey David, it's Angela Jamison, from Ashtanga Yoga: Ann Arbor.

This is useful information and wonderful sentiment! Thank you.

To the question "Who is right?," another question: why create duality with such questions? What I've learned from the first and second generation is that Guruji resolved this question among students who learned with him in different eras by instructing each person to practice as she was taught. This would be a way of keeping students from being distracted by worries that they may have missed out on new drafts of the constitution.

I asked Sharath in conference if "free breathing with sound" should be done in the chest. (I asked this since classical ashtanga breathing was done in the chest with a light uddiyana bandha preventing most belly breathing... but now many practitioners now displace the diaphragm and belly-breathe throughout primary series, and some even do this during intermediate.) Sharath nodded to my interpretation and moved on to the next question without saying more. My sense - which is only an interpretation, nothing more - was that this is not the kind of thing he wants primary series practitioners worrying about.

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